Season 1, Episode 8

But _____ (with Terry Weaver)

In this week’s episode, DJ has a discussion with Terry Weaver inspired by discussions around former President Bush being seen with Ellen Degeneres. You can read his blog post here:  

DJ and Terry talk about how our culture is becoming toxic with ways we seek division rather than unity. We hear things like, “Yeah, Ellen but George Bush _____” typically followed by rhetoric… sometimes rhetoric that is obviously untrue based on what is happening.  

Terry wonders – what ever happened to wishing the best for our fellow human beings? Suddenly our culture seems to hope for failure and find ways to divide.

There are quite a few lessons in this episode – but the bottom line is that if we can’t wish the best for people; we can’t leave the world any better. While sometimes we feel we must ‘resist’ things that are happening that are negative – if all we can do is respond with hate or hateful accusations of someone’s character… we gain nothing and only serve to alienate.
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Do we have to have asterisks??

07:35: Can we just not be kind to one another? Do we have to have an asterisk after everything? Do we have to say, I love people, I support people, but blank?

Does it need to be said?

10:00: Does it need to be said? Does it need to be said by me? and does it need to be said by me right now?

42:36: Life’s much better when you’re not trying to complain.


11:43: Leadership has a really high price.

Loving & rooting for others

14:12: We don’t get to love and serve somebody because of who they are. In fact, the more messed up they are, the more flawed they are, the more I think we’re obligated to love them.

20:06: How can you bring the most value to somebody else on the other side of the table? 

48:29: I never understood it when it was an Obama thing. I don’t understand that it’s a Trump thing. We’re all on the same boat. Let’s quit rooting for the boat that we’re all in to sink.

Disagreeing with Others

15:57: I get that when something is wrong, we need to speak out. Absolutely. What I’m seeing though, is that that has been replaced with I must hate everything about a person and hate everyone who associates with that person. And so, in our unbelievably political-minded culture, the rest of the world is just staring at us going, what are these people doing?

18:58: There are tons of things in this country that we should be fixing, but instead, we’re all focused on what we don’t agree on.

21:58: If we’re always being defensive, we’re always being offended. If we’re always disagreeing with everything we see, then what will happen is we will find ways to keep that level up. We’ll keep finding ways to disagree with each other instead of ways to come together.

29:26: We could spend the rest of this time and start figuring out what you and I disagree about, or, we can figure out what are the things that we can do together to make the world better.

31:16: A lot of us fail to realize that our digging our heels in the ground actually robs us of our humanity more than it gains us our humanity.

Perfect People

17:16: There are no perfect people, therefore there is no perfect system.

What makes us the same

19:30: If we could ignore culture for a little while and just lean into what makes us the same and what makes us unified, there’s a lot of amazing work that we could all do.

Changing the world

31:58: With the whole changing the world thing, what we have to realize is that if we’re focused on these big things, what happens is we put all that time, faith, effort, everything towards that. And the reality is, nothing changes.

38:49: If all I’m going to do is complain about it, then I’m not changing anything.

40:56: If you really want to leave this world a better place, it’s not about forcing someone’s hand. It’s not about changing someone’s mind. It’s about changing your life in such a way that really truly impacts those around you. And so, if we can start rooting for people to succeed, regardless of who they are, what they are, that means whether they’re a millionaire or whether they’re a homeless person on the side of the street, we need to be rooting for them to be a whole and real person.

00:18: You’re going find, on all levels, that your life will start to change when you’re around people who don’t think exactly like you think. It’ll challenge your thinking, and will actually force you to not be a thinker, but to actually be a doer.


37:09: Don’t take a problem to anyone that can’t solve it.


49:36: What we think of tolerance is no longer tolerance at all.

Hosts & Guests

DJ Eshelman

Terry Weaver


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  • Be kind to one another.
  • Does it need to be said? Does it need to be said by me? and does it need to be said by me right now?
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